Randy's book "In These Last Days" is also excellent. I don't know if it is still available. Joe Krygier Buffalo NY On Apr 30, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Doug Skiles wrote: > I enter and carefully respond here at the risk of taking a "dog > stomping" for aggressively over-responding to Chad's comments. > However, I would ask by the same token that I wouldn't be taken to the > cross for every comment that I make as a "personal" slam if I openly > question someone's hermeneutical approach. Principles of > interpretation determine everything that is and will be accepted > during a discussion. As the email below implies, superficial > definitions tend to be indistinct; and then it is a small leap to > extra-biblical illustrations taking on the appearance of authority. I > would like to repeat an example of this happening from Bob Wright's > (ThM, PhD) pending book, Greek Origins of the Free-Will Theory, - > "Once the human intellect is allowed to exercise autonomy in deciding > what parts of the Bible are to be believed, it is only a matter of > time before a full-fleged liberalism takes over, and the final > standard of truth becomes some form of "modernity". When Dr. Lorenzo > McCabe began to teach his fellow Methodists that God could not know > future contingents dependant on free will in the mid-1800's, his views > were rejected as a radical new heresy. Fifty years later they were > commonplace opinions among Methodist liberals" (end quote). The > answer to protecting New Covenant distinctives is in the examples > that the Apostle Paul uses in defending the faith from theological > viruses of that day. Today, the group names have changed but it is > still the same autonomy of man issue which wants to form the questions > which can only be logically answered by their assumptions. Has anyone > read Randy Seiver's(sola gratia website) work entitled, The Cross: The > Heart of New Covenant Theology. It is an excellent work and answers > many of the questions that are being asked here. Collaboration can be > a helpful thing if we hold on to the good and discard the bad? Which > direction will NCT be headed in 50 years? Sincerely, Doug Skiles > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Fuchs" <SteveF_MS@...> > To: <soundofgrace@...> > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:33 PM > Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] A start on NCT distinctives. > > >> That's why I wonder, if we're defining terminology, if we shouldn't >> avoid phrases that are somewhat indistinct on the surface? >> >> Just a question. >> >> Steve >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Reisinger" >> <24jreisinger26@...> >> To: <soundofgrace@...> >> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 5:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] A start on NCT distinctives. >> >> >>> I don't think the average Christian, including the average Reformed >>> believer, is even aware of the problem. JGR >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Steve Fuchs" <SteveF_MS@...> >>> To: <soundofgrace@...> >>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 7:25 PM >>> Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] A start on NCT distinctives. >>> >>> >>> > Ok, I understand. >>> > >>> > Is the distinction obvious enough for christians everywhere to see >>> that > we >>> > mean something different? >>> > >>> > Steve >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "John Reisinger" <24jreisinger26@...> >>> > To: <soundofgrace@...> >>> > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:52 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] A start on NCT distinctives. >>> > >>> > >>> > > > snip snip >>> > > > or do you distinguish meaningfully between the labels 'Old > > >>> > Testament' >>> > > > and >>> > > > 'Old Testament Scriptures'? >>> > > > >>> > > JGR: The phrase "Old Testament" should not be used. It cannot >>> refer > > to >>> > > the >>> > > "Old Covenant" made at Sinai, but since the same word means >>> covenant > > or >>> > > testament, to say "Old Testament" can easily be construed to >>> mean > > "Old >>> > > Covenant." We should indeed make a very meaningful distinction >>> > > between >>> > > the >>> > > words "Old Testament" and "Old Testament Scriptures." Let's use >>> only > > two >>> > > phrases and use them consistently: "Old Testament Scriptures" >>> to > > mean >>> the >>> > > 39 books of Bible before Christ, and "Old Covenant" to mean the >>> > > covenant >>> > > that God made with Israel at Sinai. JGR >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > Read the Sound of Grace pages at >>> > > http://www.soundofgrace.com >>> > > >>> > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: >>> > > soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... >>> > > >>> > > To view our online archive go to our web page at >>> > > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Read the Sound of Grace pages at >>> > http://www.soundofgrace.com >>> > >>> > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: >>> soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... >>> > >>> > To view our online archive go to our web page at >>> > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> Read the Sound of Grace pages at >>> http://www.soundofgrace.com >>> >>> To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: >>> soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... >>> >>> To view our online archive go to our web page at >>> http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Read the Sound of Grace pages at >> http://www.soundofgrace.com >> >> To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: >> soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... >> >> To view our online archive go to our web page at >> http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace >> >> > > -- > Read the Sound of Grace pages at > http://www.soundofgrace.com > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... > > To view our online archive go to our web page at > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace > > >