430 is specific to the ratification ceremony described in Exodus 24. IMHO, it presumes too much onto the Penteteuch and the rest of the canon to insist that the specific ratification event necessarily means that God was done giving law. Again, chronology is not as important as the ongoing development of redemptive history in the Exodus/wilderness event (the Exodus, btw, is itself both a specific event and the entire post-Egypt/pre-Canaan Israelite history, depending on its usage in the canon). Pastor Chad Richard Bresson Clearcreek Chapel Springboro, OH http://breusswane.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark LaCour" <mark_lacour@...> To: <soundofgrace@...> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Psalm 119 > Hmmm, you might be right, Chad. But if the giving of the law took place > over 40 years, and consequently the ratifiying of the covenant, why does > Paul get specific with chronology by saying the law came 430 (not 430 to > 470) years later? I could be wrong here but are we to believe that it > took God 40 years to ratify the Old Covenant? And if it did, when Moses > wrote Deutoronomy, wouldn't that signal that the Old Covenant was already > ratified because by it's very name, Deutoronomy means "second law," a > re-writing of the first law (which would presume it was ratified)? I sure > wish I had more answers than questions but I appreciate the massaging > going on for my charley horse!! > > Mark LaCour > > Chad Richard Bresson <breusswane@...> wrote: > >Wouldn't 613 commandments that were later added be conditions Paul said >>couldn't happen to a ratified covenant? If the >later 613 commandments >>weren't covenant "conditions" then why were they supposed to be obeyed as >>conditions of the >covenant > > The "conditions" of any covenant are the details of what constitutes the > blessings and curses of the covenant. In the Mosaic, "do this and live" > were the conditions of the covenant. I'm not sure by "added later"... if > it > means commandments that were added during the time of Moses, I think it is > myopically splitting hairs with chronology (the giving of the law in all > of > its fullness took place over 40+ years. While the giving of the law at > Sinai occurred in a Sinaitic event, that event was one of many "events" > and > Sinai is thus a representation of the giving of the law, not the > exhaustive > explanation of it). The entire Penteteuch is the revelation of the Mosaic > covenant and its stipulations (this is why the commandments, the covenant, > and its conditions are repeated in Deuteronomy... the conditions of the > "book of the covenant" cover everything in between the first giving at > Sinai > and Moses last sermon. If it's commandments that were adding following the > time of Moses, we can presume that the addition in no way violated God's > mandate that nothing be added. > > Pastor Chad Richard Bresson > Clearcreek Chapel > Springboro, OH > http://breusswane.blogspot.com/ > > > -- > Read the Sound of Grace pages at > http://www.soundofgrace.com > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... > > To view our online archive go to our web page at > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Shopping > Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping > -- > Read the Sound of Grace pages at > http://www.soundofgrace.com > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... > > To view our online archive go to our web page at > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace >