Can't help but see some paralleism going on here, between v.28 & 29, if that 
is the case then "conforming to the likeness of his Son" is actually 
golrification.
Where does "sanctification" fit into these golden links? Rom 8:29-30
IMHO - "called"

Jamie



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chad Richard Bresson" <breusswane@...>
To: <soundofgrace@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] sanctification


> IMHO, "conforming to the likeness of his Son" is the New Covenant 
> understanding of being "made new in the image of God".  The image of God 
> in the NC is defined as the image of Christ, image of His Son, etc.
>
> Pastor Chad Richard Bresson
> Clearcreek Chapel
> Springboro, OH
> http://breusswane.blogspot.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Carlo Rose" <rosec007@...>
> To: <soundofgrace@...>
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] sanctification
>
>
>> Chad: I believe the answer is "conformed to the likeness of his Son" via
>> "the sufferings of this present time" (vs. 18).
>> JGR:Where does "sanctification" fit into these golden links? Rom 8:29-30 
>> 29
>> For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the 
>> likeness
>> of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And 
>> those
>> he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those 
>> he
>> justified, he also glorified.
>>
>> Carlo:  It's possible that the "conforming to the likeness of His Son" 
>> can
>> be sanctification.  I stress "possible" and "can." It's also possible 
>> that
>> the text above doesn't outline sanctification.   Sanctification is 
>> defined,
>> I believe, as a work of God's grace by which our whole person is made new 
>> in
>> the image of God, and we are able to be made more and more able to become
>> dead to the power of sin and made more alive to righteousness.  One might
>> reason that the conforming to the likeness of Jesus, could be 
>> sanctification
>> in the text.  But I don't think it's clear.  The conforming could also be
>> the order of salvation of the "Union with Christ."  Either way, more 
>> clear
>> texts that speak of sanctification are Rom 6:7; 1 Cor 6:11; 1 Pet 4:1 - 
>> for
>> definitive sanctification.  For progressive sanctification you have 
>> 2Thess
>> 2:13; Rom 8:13; 2Cor3:18; 7:1.
>>
>> Notice some other ordo salutis elements at least explicitly or clearly
>> missing from Rom 8:29-30 - (1) regeneration; (2) conversion (faith and
>> repentance); (3)perseverance/preservation of the saints.
>>
>> What's important, in my view, in order for sanctification to take place,
>> there actually has to be a person (born), in order for the facets of
>> sanctification (definitive and progessive) to take place.  Sanctification
>> does not take place without the person.  My body did not exist in 
>> eternity
>> past when I was elected.  Nor was there any conversion on my part in
>> eternity past.  I did not exist.  I was not unioned with Christ when my
>> election was made.  The Lord did not declare me not guilty at eternity or
>> nor was I glorified and nor will I be glorified with a new body until 
>> Christ
>> returns.
>>
>>
>>
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