And I should add... the import of 1 Tim. 2:12 is *not* that a woman is to teach. That much is true. The import is *why* she isn't to teach... she is to have no authority over the man. What I find remarkable in this conversation is that inherent to the egalitarian argument there is presumed to be no authority invested in the public reading of scripture. That's a false dichotomy between spoken and preached Word. There *is* an authority that is inherent to the public administration of the Word, whatever form it takes, in the worship service. Pastor Chad Richard Bresson Clearcreek Chapel Springboro, OH http://breusswane.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Fuchs" <SteveF_MS@...> To: <soundofgrace@...> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Church Service > Chad, > > Can you show us where 'gifted' = 'qualified' in the text? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chad Richard Bresson" <breusswane@...> > To: <soundofgrace@...> > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:03 PM > Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Church Service > > >>Are we not all ministers of the gospel? > > No. Witnesses to the gospel? Yes. Entrusted with the gospel? No. > > Like it or not, the scriptures *do* reflect differences in function, > responsibility, and relationship. The text does reflect hierarchy. It's > why some are *qualified* and some are not. Those qualifications reflect > hierarchy of relationship to the entrustment. > > -- > Pastor Chad Richard Bresson > Clearcreek Chapel > Springboro, OH > http://breusswane.blogspot.com > > On 2/27/06, H Dorrington <hjdinfl@...> wrote: >> >> I think both Terry and Moe make excellent points. One of the problems >> with the church today is that we pay someone else to do everything for >> us. >> We pay the elders to do the teaching and we pay the missionaries to do >> the >> witnessing and we then believe that we are doing all we can for the Lord >> and >> we are proud of it. Are we not all ministers of the gospel? >> >> Harry >> >> Terry Rayburn <terryrayburn@...> wrote: >> Don't beat around the bush, Moe, what do you >> really think? :) >> >> Seriously, I would consider banning women from >> reading the Bible in a church assembly as >> equivalent to the Pharisees under the Old Covenant >> outlawing a needle carried in a lady's apron. >> >> They were expressing an actual God-given scriptural principle >> of that time and place, (namely, no work on the Sabbath), >> but they were going beyond the scripture to their own >> extra-biblical application of that principle. >> >> That Pharasaic principle was this: better to err on the side >> of extra-strict adherance than to even allow the *possibility* >> of a violation. >> >> Godly Pharisees (yes, there were such) did so out of a >> true reverance for the Lord, ungodly Pharisees, of whom >> there were many, did it out of pure self-righteousness. >> >> But even that Pharasaic principle was beyond >> scripture, and thus a sort of self-fulfilling principle. >> >> While still despising sin and loving the precepts of the >> Lord in our hearts, yet we need to avoid over-exegeting >> some passages. >> >> A good test sometimes is to ask the question, "Should >> someone be disciplined vis a vis Matt. 18, and put out >> of the assembly for unrepentedly doing that?" >> >> Terry Rayburn >> >> Moe Bergeron wrote: >> Now brethren, I suspect some of you are control freaks and are guilty of >> a >> Gentile system of rule. You would have only the "duly authorized" >> distributing the elements or bringing a word of encouragement,etc.,. The >> end >> result is a bunch of spectators sitting beneath your chief seats. >> >> I have said it before and I will say it again. Pastors emasculate more >> men >> than all of the women libbers out there. >> >> Retreating quickly, >> moe >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Mail >> Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. >> -- >> Read the Sound of Grace pages at >> http://www.soundofgrace.com >> >> To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: >> soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... >> >> To view our online archive go to our web page at >> http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace >> >> >> >> > > -- > Read the Sound of Grace pages at > http://www.soundofgrace.com > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... > > To view our online archive go to our web page at > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace > -- > Read the Sound of Grace pages at > http://www.soundofgrace.com > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... > > To view our online archive go to our web page at > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace > > >