"There *is* an authority that is inherent to the public administration of the Word, whatever form it takes, in the worship service." Then again I ask a very valid question, if you sing a Psalm do only the elders sing? If a hymn or song is taken from Scripture, who may sing it? In your Christmas program at Clearcreek Chapel are children allowed to tell the Christmas story by the reading of Scripture? From your statement, would not the administration of the Word fall on the speaker who asked the person to read the passage they had picked? Under your system it would seem to also exclude a man who is not an elder from reading Scripture before the assembly. Harry Chad Richard Bresson <breusswane@...> wrote: And I should add... the import of 1 Tim. 2:12 is *not* that a woman is to teach. That much is true. The import is *why* she isn't to teach... she is to have no authority over the man. What I find remarkable in this conversation is that inherent to the egalitarian argument there is presumed to be no authority invested in the public reading of scripture. That's a false dichotomy between spoken and preached Word. There *is* an authority that is inherent to the public administration of the Word, whatever form it takes, in the worship service. Pastor Chad Richard Bresson Clearcreek Chapel Springboro, OH http://breusswane.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Fuchs" To: Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Church Service > Chad, > > Can you show us where 'gifted' = 'qualified' in the text? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chad Richard Bresson" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:03 PM > Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Church Service > > >>Are we not all ministers of the gospel? > > No. Witnesses to the gospel? Yes. Entrusted with the gospel? No. > > Like it or not, the scriptures *do* reflect differences in function, > responsibility, and relationship. The text does reflect hierarchy. It's > why some are *qualified* and some are not. Those qualifications reflect > hierarchy of relationship to the entrustment. > > -- > Pastor Chad Richard Bresson > Clearcreek Chapel > Springboro, OH > http://breusswane.blogspot.com > > On 2/27/06, H Dorrington wrote: >> >> I think both Terry and Moe make excellent points. One of the problems >> with the church today is that we pay someone else to do everything for >> us. >> We pay the elders to do the teaching and we pay the missionaries to do >> the >> witnessing and we then believe that we are doing all we can for the Lord >> and >> we are proud of it. Are we not all ministers of the gospel? >> >> Harry >> >> Terry Rayburn wrote: >> Don't beat around the bush, Moe, what do you >> really think? :) >> >> Seriously, I would consider banning women from >> reading the Bible in a church assembly as >> equivalent to the Pharisees under the Old Covenant >> outlawing a needle carried in a lady's apron. >> >> They were expressing an actual God-given scriptural principle >> of that time and place, (namely, no work on the Sabbath), >> but they were going beyond the scripture to their own >> extra-biblical application of that principle. >> >> That Pharasaic principle was this: better to err on the side >> of extra-strict adherance than to even allow the *possibility* >> of a violation. >> >> Godly Pharisees (yes, there were such) did so out of a >> true reverance for the Lord, ungodly Pharisees, of whom >> there were many, did it out of pure self-righteousness. >> >> But even that Pharasaic principle was beyond >> scripture, and thus a sort of self-fulfilling principle. >> >> While still despising sin and loving the precepts of the >> Lord in our hearts, yet we need to avoid over-exegeting >> some passages. >> >> A good test sometimes is to ask the question, "Should >> someone be disciplined vis a vis Matt. 18, and put out >> of the assembly for unrepentedly doing that?" >> >> Terry Rayburn >> >> Moe Bergeron wrote: >> Now brethren, I suspect some of you are control freaks and are guilty of >> a >> Gentile system of rule. You would have only the "duly authorized" >> distributing the elements or bringing a word of encouragement,etc.,. The >> end >> result is a bunch of spectators sitting beneath your chief seats. >> >> I have said it before and I will say it again. Pastors emasculate more >> men >> than all of the women libbers out there. >> >> Retreating quickly, >> moe --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -- Read the Sound of Grace pages at http://www.soundofgrace.com To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... To view our online archive go to our web page at http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace