Um... nowhere does it say that Hebrews 13 was written to Timothy. It was written to a congregation that was to *obey* their ruling elder/shepherd/leaders. As for Timothy... that, IMHO, is a gross miscarriage of the text. It was Paul who passed the entrustment on to Timothy. Just because mom and grandma *can teach*, it does not automatically follow that they have the gift of teaching. That anyone can teach does not negate the hierarchy present in the text. Chad On 2/28/06, H Dorrington <hjdinfl@...> wrote: > > "Leader is defined in verse 7 as those who spoke the word of God to you." > Yes! And who was that to Timothy? Mom and Grandma. > > Does the closing prayer/benediction of the epistle really tell us that the > Great Shepard alone has been the context of the chapter? Or is He the > underlying cause for the behavior? Is He the brethern or the cause of the > brethern? Is He the stranger now appearing or the reason to be kind to > strangers? The prisnor...the married...the strange teacher? This is what I > spoke of earlier about adding an opinion to the text. > > Still, He alone is our High Priest and we are His Royal > Priesthood. Sonship > > Harry > > Chad Richard Bresson <breusswane@...> wrote: > >Leader here is translated from Hegeomai which means "to lead." > > Which is *why* grammar alone will never suffice in correct interpretation. > Leader is defined in verse 7 as those who spoke the word of God to you. > "Keeping watch over your souls" is shepherd language. The fact that the > writer references "the great shepherd" in verse 20 tells us that > "shepherd" > (pastor/elder) has been the context of the entire chapter. > > -- > Pastor Chad Richard Bresson > Clearcreek Chapel > Springboro, OH > http://breusswane.blogspot.com > > > On 2/28/06, H Dorrington wrote: > > > > Is your mention of Hebrews 13 a reference to the word leaders in verse > 17? > > > > I don't see the NASB ever translating it as elder so no elder and laity > > distinction found here. > > > > Harry > > > > Chad Richard Bresson > wrote: > > Elders are to rule, but not domineer (the actual meaning of 1 Pet. 5). > > Implicit to "rule" (and the obedience required of the congregation to > the > > elder in Heb. 13) is a distinction between elders and laity. > > > > -- > > Pastor Chad Richard Bresson > > Clearcreek Chapel > > Springboro, OH > > http://breusswane.blogspot.com > > > > > > On 2/28/06, H Dorrington wrote: > > > > > > "The Bible teaches that every child of God is a priest and there is > but > > > one high priest, the son of God. Every person on earth who has been > > called > > > from darkness into light, every one who has laid hold on the mercy of > > God. > > > "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a dedicated nation, > and > > a > > > people claimed by God for his own, to proclaim the triumphs of him who > > has > > > called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. You are now the > > people > > > of God, who once were not his people; outside his mercy once, you have > > now > > > received his mercy" (I Peter 2:9,10). The word "people" is a > translation > > of > > > "laos" from which we get "laity" All of God's laity are priests. The > > royal > > > priesthood is composed entirely of the laity of God. Let us go one > step > > > further: God's laity is His clergy. The word "clergy" is from "kleros" > > which > > > means "heritage." This is the word used in I Peter 5:3 where the > elders, > > or > > > bishops, are instructed not to lord it over God's heritage. The > heritage > > is > > > equated with the flock > > > of God. The word of God knows nothing of a clergyman or layman." > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Yahoo! Mail > > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > > -- > > > Read the Sound of Grace pages at > > > http://www.soundofgrace.com > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > > > soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > To view our online archive go to our web page at > > > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Read the Sound of Grace pages at > > http://www.soundofgrace.com > > > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > > soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... > > > > To view our online archive go to our web page at > > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! 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