I would love to go to the conference. Never been yet but do hope to go one day.
   
  As one who holds to an Amil position I have no trouble seeing Abraham as premil!
   
  I do believe some covenants overlap for example the Noahic covenant. The OC and the Abrahamic covenants overlapped. I hold to the position that the Abrahamic covenant has been fulfilled in Christ the Seed.
   
  I think the two different groups happen because of the two different views of Israel. Some see it as the nation of Israel while others see it as the Israel of God, His chosen people who are His Church. One view has the temple being rebuilt with all the observances/laws of the OT being reinstated while the others seeing all the OT observances/laws being fulfilled in Christ.
   
  Personally I know that the premil view sells more books but the position they postulate regarding the reinstatement of the OC observances/laws being sanctioned by God seems rather contrary to Scripture in my opinion. 
   
  Harry
  
Doug Skiles <skiles@...> wrote:
  Dear Harry,

Both!........... Are you and I the only ones not going to the Bunyan 
Conference? Have you ever been? I would love to go not so much for the 
lectures but for the after hour discussions that I hear about. But, back to 
the subject. Don't the covenants overlap and yet have uniqueness? I should 
have responded to John Reisinger's statements about why accepting a premil position "does not" make two different groups. If Israel becomes a 
Christian nation, then are they not automatically baptized into the body of 
Christ and likewise into the church? Then where are the divisions of 
hostility that are supposed to be if one accepts a national Israel for the 
Millennium? Sincerely your premil amigo, Doug.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "H Dorrington" 
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Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Premillennial Abraham


> For the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he would be heir of the 
> world was not through the Law but through the righteousness of faith.
>
> Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed He does not say, 
> "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your 
> seed," that is, Christ.
>
> Are saying that there still are promises to Abraham that have not yet 
> been fulfilled and will remain unfulfilled until the second coming or have 
> all the promises to Abraham been fulfilled in Christ at His first coming 
> through the New Covenant?
>
> Harry
>
> Doug Skiles wrote:
> Romans 4:13 - It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring 
> received the promise that he would be heir of the "world" (emphasis mine), 
> but through the righteousness that comes by faith.
			
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