A possibly naïve question for everyone:
Is it consistent with biblical theology for God to ever fulfill Covenant
promises according to a human nation's fulfillment of covenant conditions?
Does the whole of scripture teach us this is possible?
Is it consistent with biblical theology for Christ to ever be a physical
earthly King?
Are these not the expectations of the OTS nation of Israel, which were
reinterpreted by the NTS?
----- Original Message -----
From: "H Dorrington" <hjdinfl@...>
To: <soundofgrace@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Premillennial Abraham
> I would love to go to the conference. Never been yet but do hope to go one
> day.
>
> As one who holds to an Amil position I have no trouble seeing Abraham as
> premil!
>
> I do believe some covenants overlap for example the Noahic covenant. The
> OC and the Abrahamic covenants overlapped. I hold to the position that the
> Abrahamic covenant has been fulfilled in Christ the Seed.
>
> I think the two different groups happen because of the two different
> views of Israel. Some see it as the nation of Israel while others see it
> as the Israel of God, His chosen people who are His Church. One view has
> the temple being rebuilt with all the observances/laws of the OT being
> reinstated while the others seeing all the OT observances/laws being
> fulfilled in Christ.
>
> Personally I know that the premil view sells more books but the position
> they postulate regarding the reinstatement of the OC observances/laws
> being sanctioned by God seems rather contrary to Scripture in my opinion.
>
> Harry
>
> Doug Skiles <skiles@...> wrote:
> Dear Harry,
>
> Both!........... Are you and I the only ones not going to the Bunyan
> Conference? Have you ever been? I would love to go not so much for the
> lectures but for the after hour discussions that I hear about. But, back
> to
> the subject. Don't the covenants overlap and yet have uniqueness? I should
> have responded to John Reisinger's statements about why accepting a premil
> position "does not" make two different groups. If Israel becomes a
> Christian nation, then are they not automatically baptized into the body
> of
> Christ and likewise into the church? Then where are the divisions of
> hostility that are supposed to be if one accepts a national Israel for the
> Millennium? Sincerely your premil amigo, Doug.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "H Dorrington"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 8:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Premillennial Abraham
>
>
> > For the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he would be heir of the
> > world was not through the Law but through the righteousness of faith.
> >
> > Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed He does not say,
> > "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your
> > seed," that is, Christ.
> >
> > Are saying that there still are promises to Abraham that have not yet
> > been fulfilled and will remain unfulfilled until the second coming or
> > have
> > all the promises to Abraham been fulfilled in Christ at His first coming
> > through the New Covenant?
> >
> > Harry
> >
> > Doug Skiles wrote:
> > Romans 4:13 - It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring
> > received the promise that he would be heir of the "world" (emphasis
> > mine),
> > but through the righteousness that comes by faith.
>
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