On 4/22/06, Steve Fuchs <SteveF_MS@...> wrote: >Is it consistent with biblical theology for God to ever fulfill Covenant >promises according to a human nation's fulfillment of covenant conditions? No. >Does the whole of scripture teach us this is possible? No. >Is it consistent with biblical theology for Christ to ever be a physical >earthly King? Yes. >Are these not the expectations of the OTS nation of Israel, which were >reinterpreted by the NTS? Yes. -- Pastor Chad Richard Bresson Clearcreek Chapel Springboro, OH http://breusswane.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "H Dorrington" <hjdinfl@...> To: <soundofgrace@...> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Premillennial Abraham > I would love to go to the conference. Never been yet but do hope to go one > day. > > As one who holds to an Amil position I have no trouble seeing Abraham as > premil! > > I do believe some covenants overlap for example the Noahic covenant. The > OC and the Abrahamic covenants overlapped. I hold to the position that the > Abrahamic covenant has been fulfilled in Christ the Seed. > > I think the two different groups happen because of the two different > views of Israel. Some see it as the nation of Israel while others see it > as the Israel of God, His chosen people who are His Church. One view has > the temple being rebuilt with all the observances/laws of the OT being > reinstated while the others seeing all the OT observances/laws being > fulfilled in Christ. > > Personally I know that the premil view sells more books but the position > they postulate regarding the reinstatement of the OC observances/laws > being sanctioned by God seems rather contrary to Scripture in my opinion. > > Harry > > Doug Skiles <skiles@...> wrote: > Dear Harry, > > Both!........... Are you and I the only ones not going to the Bunyan > Conference? Have you ever been? I would love to go not so much for the > lectures but for the after hour discussions that I hear about. But, back > to > the subject. Don't the covenants overlap and yet have uniqueness? I should > have responded to John Reisinger's statements about why accepting a premil > position "does not" make two different groups. If Israel becomes a > Christian nation, then are they not automatically baptized into the body > of > Christ and likewise into the church? Then where are the divisions of > hostility that are supposed to be if one accepts a national Israel for the > Millennium? Sincerely your premil amigo, Doug. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "H Dorrington" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 8:44 PM > Subject: Re: [soundofgrace] Premillennial Abraham > > > > For the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he would be heir of the > > world was not through the Law but through the righteousness of faith. > > > > Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed He does not say, > > "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your > > seed," that is, Christ. > > > > Are saying that there still are promises to Abraham that have not yet > > been fulfilled and will remain unfulfilled until the second coming or > > have > > all the promises to Abraham been fulfilled in Christ at His first coming > > through the New Covenant? > > > > Harry > > > > Doug Skiles wrote: > > Romans 4:13 - It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring > > received the promise that he would be heir of the "world" (emphasis > > mine), > > but through the righteousness that comes by faith. > > --------------------------------- > Celebrate Earth Day everyday! Discover 10 things you can do to help slow > climate change. Yahoo! Earth Day > -- > Read the Sound of Grace pages at > http://www.soundofgrace.com > > To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: > soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... > > To view our online archive go to our web page at > http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace > > > -- Read the Sound of Grace pages at http://www.soundofgrace.com To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... To view our online archive go to our web page at http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace -- Read the Sound of Grace pages at http://www.soundofgrace.com To unsubscribe, send ANY message to: soundofgrace-unsubscribe@... To view our online archive go to our web page at http://www.associate.com/groups/soundofgrace