tedd said: > A window with size of > (0,0)-(310,510) > just covers the frame. for the sake of round-number sanity, i designed windows at 500*300. this gives the user finder access, too. at least i designed at 500*300 back when i still designed windows for that inferior screen-size. :+) (e.g., about a year ago, i guess, when my last poor friend finally upgraded to a real screen-size.) i love the se30, don't get me wrong, but let's figure out how to hook it up to a real monitor. just my opinion... :+) -bowerbird p.s. coming to the list soon, a "blow-up" routine that will size a graphics-and-text window to full-screen, no matter what size.